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Las Vegas with Johnny Soporno – After the Fall

Somehow a single facebook update has put me at the center of some major pickup industry drama.  But I have no regrets.  You live and learn and sometimes you gotta risk your career just to stand up for what you believe in.

I am going to write an individual post reviewing each coach I met this week, but for now I will just give you the highlights.  I walked out of the entire things yesterday.  Along with one of the paying students.  3 others told me they wanted refunds for how badly they were treated and lied to.

Highlights -

1. Johnny didn't do a SINGLE demo the entire week

2. Most of the coaches took one workshop with him a year ago and started a dating company

3. I got drunk one night and yelled at a coach to open a set or quit the business.  So far he has done neither.

4. Only one coach got laid all week.  Unfortunately, he spent all his time doing that instead of coaching the students.  To be honest I don't blame him, as neither of us realized the other coaches were terrible until much later in the week.

5.  Nearly every coach and student was forced to change rooms at 10am during the week.  I actually had to change rooms 5 times in 5 days.  Due to horrible planning.

6.  The title of the event was learn to pick up porn stars at the AVN expo.  The students were never allowed to go to the AVN.  I asked several times and so did several students.  We were all told it wasn't good this year and that more seminars would be a better use of time.

7.  The students were sold on going to a super elite private fetish porn start afterparty.  Three of the students were turned away from the event for not being on the list.

8.  EVERY SINGLE coach who went to the party got in by taking a prostitute – Except for my man Orleans.

9.  Two students missed the infield events two nights in a row – and nobody noticed except for me.

10. Steve P and Future never came.  And I found out that although he was advertised for months, Orleans was only booked 3 days before the event.

11. The most authority was given to Hristiyan Atanasov.  He opened zero sets all week and was shot down over and over.  He had the balls to say in seminar that he isn't good at picking up women, he is good at getting picked up. 

12.  This "coach" tricked to models into coming into a seminar, positioned them on barstools next to the window with 20 strange guys between them and the door and then proceeded to make them so uncomfortable that by the end one of the girls said she wanted to slap him.  (This review is gonna BLOW YOUR MINDS)

13.  One of the students stormed out of the seminar he was so offended and nobody paid attention.

14.  Most of the students got zero in-field coaching as all of the coaches were too busy trying to meet girls themselves.

15.  AFC Adam's dad was forced to room with me, even though the poor guy is 70 and doesn't deserve to be in such an awkward situation.

16.  Erika Awakening told a student that you can use EFT to "tap away shit-tests" – don't worry I actually got this on video.

17.  I ended up calling my dad 4 days into the workshop nearly in tears telling him I wanna come home from summer camp early.  I am in VEGAS and I wanted to go home.  It was that bad.

18.  The students were taken to the same bar in field 5 nights in a row.  The ratio was never better than 20-1, but they were told that they needed to tighten up their game.

19.  The students who signed up for an event called "Picking Up Porn Stars" were told that this was NOT a pickup event upon arrival.

20.  Everyone was housed in timeshare apartments instead of any of the nice hotels on the strip.

21.  A student and I got a room in a nice hotel for less than the workshop was charging and nobody cared.

22.  Johnny didn't even react until I posted a comment on facebook that I left a bad bootcamp.

23.  The students were brought to a last minute intervention because of my post and ONLY because I said they had all used the word refund with me and promised 1on1 infield with Johnny on Sunday – then THAT didn't even happen.

It has been 24 hours since I walked out of the bootcamp.  Before I left I tried to speak to Johnny and I did speak to several of the other coaches.  Nobody took any action until my comment on facebook.  I had forgotten how many coaches I'm friends with.  At first I was called a traitor.  Then for a while I was being accused of running a secret bootcamp behind the scenes.  THEN I was accused of sabotaging the whole event.  Finally, I was told that if they had known I was coaching in field I would have been told to stop, as an event called "Picking Up Porn Stars" was not about pickup but was about transcending the modern mindset. 

To be honest I REALLY TRIED to get down with this system and learn about moving my life to the next levelIn the end I learned that the core of the system is about lying to women and trying to bang as many married women as possible.  All week the talk was about emancipating women and freeing them from tying their sexuality to economics.  I thought that concept was cool.  Until I heard his "top students" talking about how they just wanted to bang some bitches this week.  I was so uncomfortable with how people talked about women all week that I wanted to leave days ago.  I have three sisters, a mom and two nieces.  Unlike the rest of these guys I think of women as people and apparently that is just all wrong.

I am trying not to sound bitter or anything, but instead to be totally honest about my experience.  Obviously, bringing me to this event was a mistake as I can't sit idly by and let students get screwed.  There are too many charlatans in this business.  All week people were bitching about Sinn hating  on Johnny. I met Sinn once and to be honest, the dude is pretty much a dick, but he IS a good instructor and his blog is good.  I have recommended it in the past.  Anyways, get ready for a ton more drama.  Johnny is already emailing other companies saying what a dick I am.

About Jonathan Green

I am a professional dating coach. I have worked with men and women around the globe and I have published several books including Girlfriend in a Week, Pickup Artist in an Hour, and Girl Gets Ring.

date, dating, life, pickup, sex, women

15 Responses to Las Vegas with Johnny Soporno – After the Fall

  1. Vince January 12, 2010 at 9:38 am #

    I can't believe that bullshit! I want to know ALL.
    I can't believe people weren't allowed to go the event. There whole thing was that the price of VIP special access admission was included. I'd want at least a partial refund for being false advertised to just for that, even if all of the seminars were amazing and they didn't bail on the infield (why did they bail on the infield? They didn't do anything with students at the porn con AT ALL? I can't even believe it).
    I hear people aren't getting refunds now? The damn site says "100% satisfaction guaranteed" on it. If they go back on that I expect them to get flushed out of the business pretty quickly, especially in this economy.
    By the way, why can't I view the Hrisityan Atanasov review man? I followed your link from twitter and got a page not found message. 
    While I'm here, letting you know I e-mailed over the book review a while back.

  2. Tj Guttormsen January 12, 2010 at 12:24 pm #

    I'm going to adress two of your points here, simply because they are both completely wrong, as well as insulting to people who in no way deserve that. I'll let Johnny and/or others adress your complaints on the workshop in it self. Alright, here we go:
    4: Wrong. Several of the coaches (me included) "got laid" during the week we were there. In fact, I only slept alone 2 of the 6 nights I was there, AND I attended ALL of the seminars as well as spending different nights with different students (with the exception of saturday night). I could name at least 3 other instructors who also went to bed with women they met that week, but I'll leave it up to them to comment on this if they feel like it. Some of us live by the "a gentleman doesn't kiss and tell"-principle, and therefore we didn't boast about it publicly, which is probably why you got this one wrong.
    8: This one pisses me off. None of the girls I brought to the party those two nights (4 in total, and yes, I made the surplus girls available for others to bring as their dates) were prostitutes and I'd dare you to call them that to their faces. And the same, I would assume, goes for the wife and girlfriend of  John and Terrence just to name a couple of other examples. This is an insult to all the girls we were hanging out with while we were there, and I'd appreciate an apology to the girls on this one.
    Other than that, it was nice to meet you this week, perhaps I'll see you again down the road.
    Sincerely yours,
    Tj

  3. curious January 12, 2010 at 12:25 pm #

    I saw Hypnotica was there any comment on him?

  4. Matrix January 13, 2010 at 12:26 am #

    That sounds like the worst bootcamp review ive ever heard. Hopefully everyone gets a refund. I'm not to framiliar with some of the coachs you mentioned so i cant say that this is an isolated incident….

  5. Steve P. January 15, 2010 at 1:23 am #


    Hey London- 
     
     
     

    I have a very low tolerance for bullshit drama, but a friend of mine, Cameron, sent me this, so let me set the record straight. 
    Johnny knew I wasn't going to show up to speak at his seminar in Las Vegas, because I was not booked to speak at the event. I usually only speak at venues that provide value to the community and furnish a speaker’s compensation package and/or a contract.
    Here’s a thought…
    If you were to go to car rental agency, do you or anyone you know really need to take a seminar to learn how to pay for the service they provide… fuck you can probably Google it for free!
    Here’s my point…
    Why would somebody need to pay to learn how to date a porn star or anyone else in the sex industry? Here’s a big clue guys… in the San Fernando Valley, CA (the porn capital of the world) as well as many other places around the U.S. you can hire a porn star for $300-$700 to do a video shoot giving a blowjob to you or any other aspiring or “up and cumming” porn star guests. Then not only do you have bragging rights about “dating” a porn star you have video to prove it.
    I know you’re thinking to yourself, “self, what a fucking genius this Steve P is. You mean me and my friends could pony up some money and actually fuck one of those girls in the ass for 4 hours for $700 bucks (or less) AND shoot video of it while they act all innocent and go, ‘oh, its so big… its so big…its hurting…’”
    Well perhaps if that’s what you really want. You can do it.
    Or you can be stuck thinking you need someone to help you broker action to someone in the sex industry.
    Anyway guys, I’m working on some projects to make me some money.
     


    Kindest Regards,
    Steve P.

  6. Cameron Teone January 15, 2010 at 2:14 am #

    Someone forwarded me this link and I Forwarded to Steve P.   Steve never said he was going to attend this event, FYI.  His name may have been used to sell the workshop but Steve had said that he was NOT going to attend.
    Well, I along with Sinn did try to warn you guys………..
    Cameron

  7. Paladin January 23, 2010 at 3:34 am #

    Hypnotica was one of the few highlights of the week. His speech was awesome and he answered a lot of questions. Unfortunately, despite the fact that he was listed as a lead coach at the event, he was only actually there for a couple of hours. I really expected him to be around for most of the week. He also wrote me a really quality email last week.

  8. Paladin January 23, 2010 at 3:38 am #

    At first I was going to just delete this reply, but I decided that it’s not fair. You have the right to defend yourself. Based on what I saw when you tried to walk up to girls every time I was around, I think you’re lying. I don’t really count sleeping with Erika Awakening as a great accomplishment as she’s clearly a pickup groupy. I heard similar things from several of the students but I’m sure you can just read their posts.

    I don’t really feel like going into a longass thing. But I never saw a girl talking to you. I guess you “secretly” met girls after I went home and all the students weren’t looking.

  9. Paladin January 23, 2010 at 3:39 am #

    The link was on a time delay. Ya, he’s the worst coach of all time. Most of these guys are simply completely unqualified. But he is actually a horrible, dishonest and creepy person.

  10. Paladin January 23, 2010 at 3:41 am #

    Ya. The page has been taken down, since my little blog is suddenly getting so much attention. The coaches I was most interested in meeting in America either weren’t there or only showed up to give a talk and disappear. I was surprised when 3 days into the event I found out that Future wasn’t coming, that Steve P wasn’t coming and that Hypnotica would only be there for one short afternoon. Well I have learned my lesson about who I work with here. I’ll be more discriminating in the future.

  11. Tj Guttormsen January 25, 2010 at 12:48 pm #

    8: I didn't sleep with Erika. Once again you seem to be reaching for conclusions without having any fact. Get a hold of me on facebook or msn and I'd be happy to give you the name/facebook/email/phonenumber of the two girls I spent the last 4 nights of my stay with and they'd be happy to confirm it for me. I honestly don't really care how "good" you think I am with women, I simply wanted to set straight a couple of things that were just dead wrong.

    And by the way, I can't remember seing you "in field" once that entire week, when were we out together? I find it strange that you claim to have seen me "walk up to girls" at all. Come to think of it, I didn't see you talk to a single girl all week OR hear you mention any girls. Does that mean you didn't talk to anyone? Probably not, I have no idea.
     
    I can see that you are a very frustrated guy and that you are obviously not happy with your time in Vegas, which is fine by me. But why do you keep making these attacks on people you've hardly spent any time with or know nothing about? Did you expect the coaches to keep you up to date on *everything* that happened when you weren't around? During that entire week you didn't ask me a single question about the girls I met or what happened when I was out, and I'm betting that most of the guys there have that same experience. Students like Alexander and Avi, as well as several coaches, saw me with the girls I was with at several occasions, when you were off doing whatever. So these attacks are both surprising and founded on nothing but what you *think* happened.

  12. Aquiles Guevara December 7, 2011 at 12:36 am #

    Do you have any prove of what you are saying? I think there are a lot of people interested in knowing if those accusations are true. Thank you.

  13. Dean Williams December 7, 2011 at 7:20 am #

    Looks like Johnny is doing it again and being called out on it by some bigger people thanks to your review.

    http://www.puafraud.com/johnny-soporno-pua-deluded-distorted-or-deceptive-or-just-an-utterly-faggoting-fail/

    http://www.puafraud.com/johnny-soporno-absolute-proof-of-his-grabbing-hypocrisy/#comment-3392

  14. Paladin December 12, 2011 at 10:31 pm #

    When I wrote that article I had no idea it would still be my most popular one 2 years later. I guess controversy really does bring a crowd. I don’t have a problem with Johnny on a personal level and some of my friends really respect him. I can only tell you that my personal experience of that training weekend was disappointing. I know for sure that a LOT of the instructors I met that weekend were total frauds and I’m shocked to see how many of them are still teaching and getting booked for big events, when they have zero game and their students get zero results. At the end of the day the only thing I care about is the student experience. I am still in personal contact with all of my students via facebook, email and skype. I want to know that their lives are still moving forward and becoming better. I’m not interested in anything else.

  15. Paladin December 12, 2011 at 10:33 pm #

    This was my personal experience 2 years ago. I am still very close friends with 2 of the students from that event. You can choose to believe or not to believe whatever you want. I have no personal enmity towards Johnny and I’m sure that he has helped some people. This is just a record of my own personal experience.

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